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interview with garry 5
The following was a special interview we conducted in preparation for the Hamilton Fundraiser Event, to test out our interview questions on a friend of HUMANZOO. The interview took place at Jakob and Edward’s apartment in Toronto over a few glasses of wine, and though it was not their intention, Jakob and Edward couldn’t help but get involved with this particular interview, which lasted nearly an hour. Thus it has been separated into four parts. This is part 3.

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GARRY:
Have you ever suspected someone that you know of having committed a very serious crime?

HUMAN:
The first thing that comes to mind is just a DUI.

GARRY:
But we’re talking serious crime, first-degree murder or aggravated assault, rape.

HUMAN:
No..no. Ohhhh you guys don’t know this, but uh, this is weird that it’s on the record. Shit. I don’t know if I should tell you.

JAKOB:
It’s all anonymous.

GARRY:
It’s anonymous. No one will–

HUMAN:
It’s me, it’s me… but it’s okay it’s all already been said and it’s been in the papers and that shit. Uhh. My stepdad, who was my moms I guess like husband, he wasn’t really married really. He was caught with child pornography on his computers and they busted in the house, fuckin took his computers and took him. Boom, my moms like fuck you, were done. That… that just happened. So. I was so shocked I was like what the fuck?

GARRY:
Did you believe it at first?

HUMAN:
Uhh at first I was like oh my god like, I’m gonna be fucked, like everyone is gonna know about this, but then no, cause he doesn’t have the same last name as me and shit so. I was thinking about my own, I was thinking about myself at first. He’s going to jail. At first I thought…if we, if any of us went off and had sex with someone who was 17… that’s illegal. But sometimes, okay this is so weird, but sometimes these 17 year olds like look like they’re 20, 21, so how do you know sometimes? But in his case, it was like, I don’t know exactly what he was looking at, but I can imagine and it wasn’t exactly….
JAKOB:
Did you ever suspect him of anything before you found out?

HUMAN:
No, no I thought he was just a quiet guy that was really nice, yeah I actually liked him a lot. And like that law? When did that law come in, where you weren’t allowed to look at child pornography?

GARRY:
Hmm, that’s actually a really good question.

JAKOB:
I think it’s been frowned upon since the beginning.

GARRY:
The beginning.  Do you think if someone that you loved, was convicted of a serious crime, like we’ve just discussed, could you still love them?

HUMAN:
Like my dad or something…murder…rape murder…depends, depends on the case, it depends. The law is so…but if it was like, just say my dad was like full out cold-blooded murdered someone, I’d be like what the fuck is wrong with you, like you’re an asshole.

GARRY:
Would you still love him?

HUMAN:
No.

GARRY:
Do you trust the legal system? Our legal system?

HUMAN:
No. No.

GARRY:
What does the word evil mean to you?

HUMAN:
Uhh…  eevil, uhh you’re so intense, these are such intense questions. Evil is…fuck I don’t know, doing horrid wrong things to people that you know, not even that you know, that are just, it’s like the bible, if…would you want that done to you? Evil is such a contrived…it’s subjective.

JAKOB:
But was does it mean to you? Subjectively. That’s what the question is.

HUMAN:
I think evil is…oh my god it’s so hard…there are so many things that are subjective, I mean like that are…I’m just on the line with a lot of things. Cause some evils might be blessings…like if you murder Hitler, is that evil? Cause it’s a murder.

JAKOB:
So then that goes back to that question, do you think you can justify murder.

HUMAN:
Eye for an eyyee.

GARRY:
If you can justify anything, does evil really exist?

HUMAN:
I think that..ohh man, it depends, see when someone gets, when people get emotionally involved. You just, things get lost so, as a reason and… ahhh I don’t know man, just say someone came in and murdered my whole family, I’d like, I’m gonna fuckin string their throat cords up

JAKOB:
Is that what you’d want to do? Or would you want justice? You’d rather kill them and deal with the consequences?

HUMAN:
Killing.. at the same time, I think killing is just too easy. I want to torture them, I wanna make them suffer, I wanna watch their eyeballs dissolve in their heads if that ever happened, you know? But that’s uhh…that’s wrong as well…why? Why is that wrong? If that, you’re entire family was murdered by this person and their reason was just… because. It’s like what? That’s a sickness, that’s a sickness, this person is sick.

JAKOB:
So then they’re not evil, they’re sick.

HUMAN:
Yeah…yeah I’ll say that, yeah they’re sick.

EDWARD:
So a person can only be evil, if they’re not sick?

JAKOB:
Do you think evil then, is a sickness? To be evil, something has to be wrong with you. That is not something that is natural.

HUMAN:
No, I think to be anything, anything on this planet is natural. We spring from nature so, if there was a person, that was all of a sudden was like I wanna fuckin go murder… [HUMAN’S] entire family..well that’s a natural thing that happened, he did that. But it’s not, no person, a lot of other people would not do that like…most people. Hard to say, I’d say. Point point point point zero zero zero one percent that did that, one person. That’s just something that’s a little off…I don’t think there is evil though. I think there is just, shit happens, there is chaos. This persons mind was wired different because all of sudden.. something happened in their process of being made like their lineage. Maybe it took a long time, you know like, if someone’s born, they’ve survived since the beginning of whenever our ancestors began, but then something went wrong in the process and he starts turning on…

GARRY:
So you believe that that kind of mm, for lack of a better word, glitch or malfunction genetically is a result of genetics or… again Nature vs Nurture. Nurture.

HUMAN:
I don’t think people are evil. I don’t like, I don’t like the word evil.

GARRY:
Would you have a different word?

HUMAN:
I would say there is an error or something but…that’s very heady. Now we’re getting all into my head.

GARRY:
Do you believe in Karma?

HUMAN:
Karma? Nahhhh. Just Chaos.

GARRY:
Close your eyes, after you take that drink. I’m gonna say a word and I just want you to tell me whatever the first image is that comes to mind. Normal.

HUMAN:
White. OHH MY GOD..that’s so…I’m sorry. That’s boring.

GARRY:
You can open your eyes now.

HUMAN:
That’s it?! Shit. Well…I guess I am a white man.

GARRY:
What are you afraid of?

HUMAN:
It’s not over yet?

GARRY:
No.

HUMAN:
Shit. I’m afraid of myself.

GARRY:
How would you explain your basic life philosophy or, to word that differently, do you have words that you live by? Do you have a mantra?

HUMAN:
Uhh yeah I always come up with, do your work and go home.

GARRY:
Cool. Do you have any secrets you’d like to maybe get off your chest?

HUMAN:
Secrets? Uhh well that child porn one came out pretty quick…secrets?

GARRY:
Do you have any addictions?

HUMAN:
Porn maybe? I don’t know… I don’t need it. Air. Water.

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GARRY:
What would you say you think about more than anything else?

HUMAN:
Myself. Uhh fuck. Yeah…horrible. I wish I didn’t, shit. That’s why I think I should start believing in God, fuckin forget about myself, you know what I mean?

GARRY:
What do you think so far of the questions I’ve been asking you?

HUMAN:
Longgg. I’ve been speaking too much.